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back painanybody got any ideas on this,. when i am in circle on invests i now get a very bad pain in the back and when i ask for it to be reomved it normally is. This normally happens when spirit are very close .
Last sat it got really bad i had it from neck to base of my spine and was so severe i had to leavre the circle. It is not way i am standing or anyhting as soo=n as i ask fo rit to be removed it normnally is but sat it got worse instead of better
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Mandatas
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I would guess either you are feeling the pain that the spirit was feeling in life, or you have a weakness in your back and the spirit is using that to get at you.
I had that once at Canewdon when David decided to give me more pain in my damaged shoulder, he also passed that pain onto Harmony and I believe he was targeting my weakest point.
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trace
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I have a bad back at times it will sometimes just go on me at most od times ie when tying shoes lol
so suppose that is a possibility
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Mandatas
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It could well be, I was told by someone that sometimes a spirit will pick on your weakest point if they want to break a circle.
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alan
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Most of the time i'm not in circles and if i am, i tend to come out of the circle and ask for a blessing for all, i tend to work best on my own as i pick up over peoples vibes as well as spirit. Working on my own then i only get spirit.
With circles you may be picking up on spirit pain or maybe a person in the circle who has had pain and is sometimes hard to say were it's coming from, the living or the dead. But in saying that, each person works diffrant.
I know that Manda can see and feel spirit without being in a circle and sees the same as me at the same time.
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Mandatas
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Yes, we have confirmed each others sightings a few times now haven't we. Me and Trace have done the same aswell, it's great to be able to see what another medium is seeing.
I am beginning to wonder if circles are not a bit too risky, we seem to have had quite a few problems with circles lately, maybe as we are all getting stronger, the energy is too much and causes us problems?
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alan
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Everything i have learned, i have never realy been in circles and never felt the need to. I work best on my own or with a small group, as you will all know, on vigils i'll be walking with you all then shoot off somewere when i see something.
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Mandatas
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How do you core members feel about only doing a circle very occasionally and only with other core members of members of other groups who we know and trust?
Just a thought, I would like your opinions please.
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Master Tharex
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any thing that is weak in all realms will be targated first in Traces case her back there for if there's a something that doesn't like what shes doing or not happy with it in general will pick the weak link and snap it or in human cases cause intence pain quickly with me i tend to get a head ache as my skull is a bit on the fragile side after the brick any ways 
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Mandatas
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Your right there Tharex.
Manda
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alan
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If it's only will people we all trust and all are happy to do so, then yes, that's fine with me. Was not to happy with people we never knew in the pub at Canewdon, Spirit and peoples vibs were all mixed up with each over.
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Mandatas
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Great, we will keep our circles to a minimum and only allow those we trust to join, that sounds fair. 
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